Thank You!
I want to thank the growing number of owners at Deer Ridge Mountain Resort who are supporting this blog and its primary goals. Those goals include making GGRC and RML transparent, accountable and compliant with the controlling documents of our property: The Master Deed and Bylaws.
These documents are the “law of the land” for Deer Ridge – and these “laws” have been systematically, substantively and repeatedly violated by Joe Thomas and the current and past boards of Deer Ridge. As more of you have become acquainted with these laws and your rights as owners, as a result of this blog, your sense of outrage over these ongoing, intentional violations by Joe Thomas and the Board has joined with the voices of other owners who are now demanding long needed changes be made immediately at Deer Ridge.
This growing, vocal demand has finally gotten a response from Joe Thomas and the Board.
You will be receiving an unsigned letter purportedly from the GGRC / RML Board of Directors concerning some of my efforts to accomplish the above goals. Not surprisingly, their 8 page letter is solely focused on their ongoing villainization and disinformation about me that has been going on for years – attacking me and my ever constant demand for implementing the above goals.
Fortunately, so many of you have started to call, email and otherwise voice your own demands to Joe Thomas and the board that the Deer Ridge Owners Blog goals be met, that they have felt compelled to generate this most recent attack letter in an attempt to deflect the growing complaints against the old way, their way, of doing things.
Here’s a hint for Joey and the Board: Your attempted deflection won’t work. Your violations of Deer Ridge Law will no longer be tolerated.
Joey And The Board Have No Authority To Be Thought Police Overseeing All Owners At Deer Ridge
Joey and the Board continue to believe that they are the ONLY people who can have an opinion about Deer Ridge and its operations…and they consistently set out to attempt to discredit and alienate ANY owner who does not agree to abide by their warped sense of proprietary and priorities.
My guess is that many other owners would agree with me that the board is completely out of line trying to censure ANY owner from expressing their rights to freedom of thought and expression. For some reason, Joey and this board think it is alright to try and tell an owner how to think and behave – even when they have no authority whatsoever to do so.
Thought Police is NOT one of the authorized duties of either the general manager or the board.
The board members, as individual owners, have a right to their own ideas and opinions – but have ZERO right as the board of directors to use HOA fees to prepare and mail out any document on GGRC letterhead attempting to censure individual owners for expressing their opinion.
If individual board members wish to mail all owners their PERSONAL opinion about me or anything else, they are welcome to do so – WITHOUT using GGRC letterhead and without HOA fees being used for the postage.
Here’s another hint for Joey and the Board: A growing number of us will no longer tolerate your attempts to control and intimidate owners.
Your lies and secretive actions will see the light of day and be fully exposed for the coordinated deception they are. Each owner is fully entitled to their own ideas and opinions regarding Deer Ridge – and no one is required to follow your dictatorial wishes with regard to their opinions about Joe Thomas and the board and use and enjoyment of THEIR property as long as they abide by the Master Deed and Bylaws. And no where in those controlling documents are you empowered in any way to be Thought Police for every owner at Deer Ridge.
However…all owners have a right to demand COMPLETE transparency about the way their investment is being handled – and to demand that the elected board provide that transparency AND that the board abide FULLY with the controlling documents that are part of the purchase documents for each and every condo at Deer Ridge. Every owner has the right to demand full accountability of Joe Thomas as general manger and every board member to account for every penny – and follow every article and bylaw of our controlling documents.
As such, I demand that Joe and each board member reimburse GGRC for the time, postage and all other expenses incurred as a result of them sending this completely inappropriate attack letter to all owners and to go on record apologizing for completely overstepping their authority with their letter of attempted intimidation and censure.
If you want to send the same letter to every owner again, fine – but have the forthrightness to send it yourself, under your individual signature, using your own postage. Don’t hide behind some unsigned letter and charge all owners. Or, set up your own private blog at your own cost, unaffiliated with Deer Ridge management, and rant away to your heart’s content.
Welcome To New Visitors To This Blog
Most of you who are regular readers of this blog are already aware of the multitude of mistakes, errors and misrepresentations, intentional or otherwise, that are contained in this most recent attack letter. However, since their letter references our blog so many times, I am hopeful that many of you now reading this posting are here for the first time, trying to find out for yourselves if the claims in the attack letter are true. If you are here for the first time…or the first time in a long time, welcome!
I invite you to read all the postings and all the many dozens of comments made by your fellow owners at Deer Ridge. I also invite you to join in the dialogue by registering and adding your own comments to each individual posting that interests you.
Unlike the new Joe Thomas and Board Blog, where they do not allow ANY comments and discussions by owners, but only post their own propaganda, this Deer Ridge Owners blog is specifically set up to give ALL owners a voice in their property and investment in Deer Ridge.
In the last three months since it started, this blog has had over 2,800 unique visitors, many visiting multiple times, with over 20,000 page views, 7,200 search engine robot visits and over 3,400 feeds. We continue to average about 1,500 visits a month to the blog. Not bad for zero advertising and a small 84 unit property!
Some Points of Issue With Their Current Attack Letter
There are SO many errors, false statements, half-truths in the board’s attack letter, I won’t bore you with refuting them all except to ask you to explore this massive blog to find your own answers. However, some of the points are so flagrant, I will respond to the following, along with providing specific links where you can get more information to make your own decisions.
- “Robert’s emails questioned the actions of the Board and Manager and he demanded that he be provided detailed financial records so he could advise the Board and Manager the correct manner in which to run the day to day operations at Deer Ridge.
“That statement is mostly true.
As an owner, I have a right to receive copies of ALL the books and records concerning MY ownership and investment at Deer Ridge. ALL owners have this right.
The current and past boards have adamantly refused to provide copies to any owner.Instead, all they offer is to let an owner set up an appointment with Joe Thomas to quickly VIEW whatever documents Joe Thomas is willing to show (they are unwilling to even show many underlying documents) while Joe is looking over your shoulder. They know that forcing this approach, they can’t be held accountable – and any analysis is all but impossible. It is also unworkable for all the folks who own at Deer Ridge who do not visit often. How are they supposed to see the books and records if they can’t have copies?
This one point is the crux of a majority of my complaints – and that complaint has been there since Day 1 and continues to this day. For me, this is such a critically important issue, it is worth filing a lawsuit over – so ALL owners can see what is going on with their investment in Deer Ridge.
- “He earlier wanted RML sold, and that is still one of his goals.”
Absolutely. In my opinion, RML and Ridge Resort Realty are operating companies that put all owners at risk of running small companies – and is a violation of the Master Deed and Bylaws. Everyone who needs rental income would be better served by selling RML to a larger, better property management company – plus if sold correctly, could generate several hundreds of thousands of dollars to GGRC.
- “He wants the current Board and Joe Thomas fired.”
Absolutely! There are SO many reasons that Joe Thomas should be fired – and I read the whole list to his face during the last board meeting. Please see:
- Deer Ridge Board Meeting Motion – Fire Joe Thomas For Cause
- Deer Ridge Mountain Resort: Who IS Responsible For Multiple Violations of Article XII of the Master Deed?
- File A Complaint Against Joe Thomas With Tennessee Real Estate Commission
- Joe Thomas Butchers Deer Ridge Trees For Benefit Of Non Deer Ridge Owner
- Open Letter To Luther Parker and Board: Joe Thomas Accosts Owner In Laundry Room
- “He has indicated he would like to take over our HOA and run it on his whim of the moment.”
This is false. Completely false.
I have zero interest in running the HOA, being on the board or having Joe’s job. Zero interest.
Joe has always been threatened by me since I have significantly more real estate and property management experience than he does. Even though I’ve gone out of my way to make it clear that I don’t want his job, his apparent paranoia over this has been the root of a lot of his conniving and devious behavior toward me since we bought at Deer Ridge.
- “Without a single substantiating fact he posted the picture on his website with the accusation that the Board was preparing to run a “secret” test for the demolition and replacement of the railings at one of the buildings and that Deer Ridge had already spent monies on parts for this test run.”
Actually, there were several substantiating facts.
One, is the long history of Joey and the Board spending over $120,000 of OUR money on unapproved projects without having the same kind of vote they are currently having on February 6th about the ridiculous and completely unnecessary Walkway Railings replacements. Joey and current and past boards have often moved ahead with projects with no authority whatsoever, such as The Joe’s Folly Pavilion.
Secondly, there is the magic wording in the Board’s own minutes from the November budget meeting that were sent to all owner around December 1, 2009. This is the section about the test run and timelines for the walkway railings:
Now, please note several things in the board’s own minutes:- “Joe Thomas mentioned that contractors want to do a test run on a walkway in January.” Hmmm…I guess we all didn’t just imagine that January test run date after all, huh?
- They already knew and were taking into account that I had forced them to abide by the Master Deed and Bylaws, so they had to have the damn 75% vote.
- Even if the owners decide it makes no sense to spend over $49,000 to replace perfectly good walkway railings, we are being warned by El Presidente Luther that our assessment won’t go down! How is that for Joey and the board trying to railroad something through – even if the owners vote they don’t want it? The cost of this boondoggle is 14% of the total assessment. But hell or high water, Joey and the board need all that money – even if it isn’t going to be used for its stated purpose! Does anyone else see this as outrageously unethical as I do?
- But wait…there’s more: Even knowing that the vote was not going to occur until February 6th, Point 5 repeats their intent of doing a test run AND having all walkway railings DONE by the April Owner’s Meeting. Now, not the ambiguous parenthetical (if approved). If you diagram the sentence, you will see that the wording meant approval of the whole project, not the test run. Which is exactly the intent of the board.
- Also, look at the timeline. If they were really going to do the test run AFTER the vote…and then do all the demolition and complete reconstruction AFTER the test run was tested, there wouldn’t be time to do it right. However, if they were going to do the test run in January, as the plan shows above, then they might be able to get it all done in time for the meeting.
- Also, Point 5 even WARNS the owners: “Ownership be cognizant that the Building and Grounds committee, Board and Management, contractors and maintenance staff would like to do a test run on one walkway.” Now, to me that wording speaks volumes. They are telling us that they are illegitimately moving forward NOW with the test run BEFORE the vote. Otherwise, why should the owners be cognizant?
- Maybe it is just me, but I think the above minutes make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Joey and the boys were going to move ahead with the secret test run in January. What does your intuition tell you?
But, wait there is more….proof.
Thirdly, Neil Blair received the following email from Luther Parker, El Presidente regarding this project:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:15:37 -0600
Subject: RE: Questions
From: parker.luther@gmail.com
To: openroad12@hotmail.comCC: mickmargie@zoomtown.com; DavidBarone@optonline.net; larryo@skdocpa.com; tomtrip@verizon.net; manager@deerridge.com
Neil,
The Buiding and Grounds Committee had identified the walkway problems prior to Mr. Novak’s presentation to the Board. The project of replacing the walkway railings and up-dating the lighting is well underway. Presently, the general manager has been given the task of taking precautionary measures until the walkway project gets underway.
Neil, I must conclude that you are clearly saying to me (e-mail) “We will let a judge decide”. Additionally, you stated that you would be contacting the FBI for an investigation of the Board.
Since you desire representation by a third party, I will respond to those agents representing you.
Sincerely,
Luther
Now, how would YOU interpret that email – especially the part in red – especially considering the long history of costly, illegitimate projects at Deer Ridge? That is why I got a panicked telephone call from another owner asking me to please do whatever I could with my blog to stop this illegitimate act before it was too late.
Note that this email was sent by Luther Parker on December 24th – exactly a week before our posting about the dumpster. From what we have been told by insiders, our posting did, indeed, keep their illegal walkway railing test from happening. Please also see: Deer Ridge Board: What Part of No Do You NOT Understand? and Deer Ridge Mountain Resort: Who IS Responsible For Multiple Violations of Article XII of the Master Deed?
So, let’s look again at the Board’s attack letter claims, “Without a single substantiating fact he posted the picture on his website with the accusation that the Board was preparing to run a “secret” test for the demolition and replacement of the railings at one of the buildings and that Deer Ridge had already spent monies on parts for this test run.”
I think we have triple and quadruple “substantiating facts” to believe Joey and the boys were moving ahead, spending OUR money on their ridiculous pet project – even before the owners voted. And, I believe that the ONLY thing that stopped them was this blog posting – and they are especially aggravated by it.
In spite of the protests by Joey and the board in their attack letter, do you think that I might, just maybe, be right about their illegitimate test run and why that first dumpster showed up on property after all?
Uh huh. Talk about Doublespeak.
Irrespective of whether they were going to use the actual dumpster shown in the photo or some other dumpster, I think it now surely seems obvious to God and everybody that not only were Joey and the boys going to violate the Master Deed once again by spending our money without the proper vote and approval – they are now CLEARLY guilty of trying to cover it up with a LIE.
Joey and the boys have been hoisted with their own petards and documentation. Maybe we can call it JoeGate instead of WaterGate.
And, consider this: if Joe Thomas and Luther Parker and the rest of the board are willing to manufacture lies like this in their attack letter against me, it kind of makes you wonder how many more outright lies all of them are trying to tell all the owners in the rest of that attack letter.
AND IF THEY ARE LIARS – WHAT ELSE ABOUT DEER RIDGE ARE JOE THOMAS AND LUTHER PARKER AND THE REST OF THE BOARD LYING TO THE OWNERS ABOUT – ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT? ABOUT THE BUDGETS? ABOUT THE REAL OPERATION OF RML? ABOUT BOARD COMPENSATION? ABOUT EVERYTHING?
- “How can this man state that he has the support of many owners in his quest to completely destroy the beautiful mountain resort that has been more than 23 years in the making?”
Read the blog to see some of the support. See the proxies that I will bring to the February 6th meeting on the Walkway Railings Vote. Read the emails you are getting from other owners complaining about how you are not abiding by the Deer Ridge The Master Deed and Bylaws. Read the other, upcoming letters from other owners that will be mailed to all owners in the next few weeks. There are now many of us owners who are joining together to bring about long needed changes to Deer Ridge that will do just the opposite of destroying our beautiful mountain PROPERTY.
- “On December 23, 2009 he stated on his website his intention to file a complaint against Joe Thomas with the Tennessee Real Estate Commission.”
This is true – although it just went in the mail in the last couple of days since the official complaint had to be notarized. You can read all about this complaint at File A Complaint Against Joe Thomas With Tennessee Real Estate Commission. If you agree with the reasons given, I invite you to join me and other Deer Ridge Owners who have filed this same complaint about Joe Thomas with the State of Tennessee.
- “On December 12, 2009 he stated on his website that he had filed an official request to the FBI to investigate alleged criminal activity by Deer Ridge Manager and Board for suspected crimes of: white collar crime; corruption; financial misappropriations, kickbacks, embezzlement; illegitimate Board member compensation; and securities fraud.”
This is true. You can read all about this complaint at FBI – Official Request Made to Investigate Alleged Criminal Activity By Deer Ridge Manager And Board. If you agree with the reasons given, I invite you to join me and other Deer Ridge Owners who have filed this same complaint about Joe Thomas with the FBI.
- “The Board has made the decision to not provide,nor allow to be made, copies of detailed financial records which could be disseminated to parties that might use them to the detriment of the orderly operation of GG&RC and/or RML.”
Again, this is the crux of the problem.
ALL owners should be able to have copies of ALL books and records related in any way to the operation of their property and their investment.
If we have to go to court over this, we WILL go to court over this. Additionally, exactly what detrimental consequences does the board fear from these financial records? The ONLY ones I can think of relate solely to any malfeasance and misuse of HOA funds – which is exactly why I believe the Board and Joey are fighting, tooth and nail, to keep these copies out of the hands of owners. Please see: Yes Or No, Luther Parker? An Open Letter To Luther Parker, President of Deer Ridge – GGRC and RML.
- “It is for this very same reason that the Board has made the decision to not allow audio recording of any of the Board meetings…”
Again, this is another case where the board refuses to be transparent and accountable to all owners.
Interestingly, the State of Nevada just implemented a new law affecting all HOAs that now REQUIRE them to audio record ALL board meetings and keep those recordings available to all interested parties for at least 10 years. Other states are expected to follow suit. So, if so many state governments see this as a requirement that is to the benefit of all owners, why does Joey and the Board at Deer Ridge fight it so much?
- “On November 15,2009, on his website, he posted pictures along with the allegation ‘Joe Thomas Butchers Deer Ridge Trees For Benefit of Non Deer Ridge Owner’ …What his cursory investigation failed to reveal was that one of the cabin owners on Moonshine Ridge, which overlooks Weber Road, also wanted some trees topped that were located on the south side of the road. Through the Maintenance staff, Joe contacted the landscaper that does contract work for Deer Ridge and referred him to the persons wanting the trees cut. The property line is very close to the road at this point and GG&RC only owns a 25 ft right of way from the center line of Weber Road. The topped tree closest to the road is 33 ft from the center line. Therefore, it appears that most, if not all, of the trees topped in this area were not on GG&RC property.”
From our analysis of the plat, the above “convenient” calculations by Joey and the Board appear to be very wrong and these trees are, indeed, on our property.
Do you believe it a coincidence that these trees were butchered at virtually the same time that this one cabin, the ONLY one that benefited from the butchering, signed on to be managed by RML? Please see: Joe Thomas Butchers Deer Ridge Trees For Benefit Of Non Deer Ridge Owner, Joe Thomas Butchers Deer Ridge Trees For Benefit Of Non Deer Ridge Owner – Chapter 2 and Tree Trimming At Deer Ridge: A Guest Post By Tina.
- “On September 20, 2009 he filed a complaint with the local US Postal authorities.”
True. Many of us have had way too much mail tampering.
However, I am please to say that I have now been successful at forcing Joey and the Board to install private mailboxes where keys will only be given to the individual owner and the US postal person who delivers the mail. Please see: Postmaster Says We Have A Right To Demand Individual Mailboxes and Major Successes At Deer Ridge Board Meeting – Four Total – One Major Win! We should get our individual keys personally delivered to us sometime this week by Scott, the Gatlinburg Postmaster.
- “On December 21, 2009 a copy of an invoice mailed by the Cobbly Nob Property Owners Association to Deer Ridge Mountain Resort appeared on his website and his cry is “Deer Ridge behind in payments to Cobbly Nob -Over $31,000!…RML is not in arrears to Cobbly Nob.”
Please see: Deer Ridge Behind In Payments To Cobbly Nob – Over $31,000!
Note in spite of what Joey and the Board claim in the letter about being caught up…that Cobbly Nob is offering a payment plan that just happens to start when the Asinine Assessments are due in March! If they are so caught up, why is a payment plan even being offered? Kind of makes you wonder, huh?
- “In every instance the (GGRC) attorney did not find fault with the decisions of the Board and rebuked him for trying to micro-manage the Board’s operation when the Master Deed and By-Laws clearly granted the Board the authority to manage the property in a manner which is fair and equitable.
This is false.
We had to fight to get Vic and Joey to release the mailing labels back in 2006 – and the same attorney told them they did not have a choice – that I was right in my demand that they had to provide it!
Also, at the most recent board meeting, the same attorney had to remind Joey and the Board that, again, they do not have a choice about providing mailing labels – which Luther had been denying access to. Also, in the same meeting, the same attorney agreed with me that the board HAD to abide by Article XII and get the required 75% vote of owners before doing ANY alteration or improvement.
This alone is a MAJOR win for all owners – with their attorney in fact finding MAJOR fault with the decisions of the Board. Their current vote on February 6 requiring a 75% vote for the ridiculous replacement of perfectly good walkway railings is an admission of Joey’s and the Board’s GUILT over not requesting the same kind of vote before illegitimately squandering over $120,000 on other projects just as Joe’s Folly Pavilion. I would say that is a clear case of their statement being proven completely false, wouldn’t you?
Please see:
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Deer Ridge Owners Mailing Labels Now Available To ALL Owners
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Major Win On Deer Ridge Article XII Bylaws – Thoughts and Implications
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Major Successes At Deer Ridge Board Meeting – Four Total – One Major Win!
Also, there is the whole issue of all 30 1-1 units at Deer Ridge being grossly overcharged by 82% on monthly HOA fees and all other assessments. When asked in the meeting, Luther Parker said this was “fair and equitable.” We obviously disagree and will take this matter to court and see if the court agrees that an 82% overcharge is fair and equitable.
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Lawsuit Against Deer Ridge GGRC Inevitable And Moving Forward – Despite Gains At Board Meeting
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- “We believe the majority of owners do not want Deer Ridge Mountain Resort to become another small residential complex as he has suggested and would like it to become.”
Scott, the Postmaster for Gatlinburg has told us that based on trends in this city and specific trends and current pricing at Deer Ridge, within two to five years, he expects that all of Deer Ridge will become a residential complex. This has nothing to do with me – and has everything to do with micro and macro economic trends specific to this geography.
However, think about the statement in their attack letter.
If these units are fairly marketed to all potential buyers, many of those buyers will be interested in Deer Ridge as their primary home. So, “the majority of owners” mentioned in the attack letter do not get a vote on this either – even though Joe Thomas has done all he can to try and accomplish this by only trying to sell units to those who will use RML. This is a MAJOR disservice to those who are trying to sell their units – and his tactics have greatly suppressed prices of all units here for years. This is one of the reasons we filed a complaint against Joe Thomas with the Tennessee Real Estate Boards. You can read all about this complaint at File A Complaint Against Joe Thomas With Tennessee Real Estate Commission. If you agree with the reasons given, I invite you to join me and other Deer Ridge Owners who have filed this same complaint about Joe Thomas with the State of Tennessee.
- “He blatantly abused the pooling system, staying in his unit for a month at a time while still collecting rent via the pooling system.”
Our “abuse” was staying in OUR unit, that we own, for the month of October right after we bought the unit in August. However, we did NOT collect rent from the pooling system. We were fully agreeable that no rent was owed. The fact that Joey and the board could even consider this as abuse is almost laughable. However, when RML instituted a “prime time tax” – charging owners an absurd and outrageous daily charge on top of no rental income is why we took our unit out of RML. That is when additional “abuse” occurred by Joe Thomas RENTING our unit AFTER it was no longer in RML. He has done this to other owners too – fully demonstrating his lack of ethics and trustworthiness.
It is this kind of mindset by Joey and the Board that this property and every unit here is for their Little Joe’s Notel Motel empire – and not an aggregation of 84 units with about 80 owners who have varying and totally justifiable reasons to own at Deer Ridge that may have NOTHING to do with renting their units via RML.
- “On February 10,2007, a committee formed by the Board to study and make recommendations with respect to Joe Thomas’s group’s offer, met in Luther Parker’s unit (B202). On this day Robert , a member of the committee, focused his contribution to the meeting on selling RML to an outside interest at a future point in time fora great deal of money…The charge would be 7% of the total selling price … “.
The Attack Letter implies I was making money from the sale of RML. Please see the full text, which they conveniently edited, by clicking Marketing Steps For Selling RML. There you will see that I clearly state, out of all available options for selling, that “Using a competent, knowledgeable business broker is probably the best approach for the sale of RML.” I also add that instead of using me, “While this approach is an alternative for the Board, the business broker approach may be the best approach since it is a total third party dealing with no potential for any conflicts of interest.” As you can see, their attack letter is intentionally misleading on this point – and I would suggest that it is equally intentionally misleading on all the other points too.
However, since they brought up the offer by Joe Thomas to buy RML, I strongly suggest you read what really happened by clicking: Joe’s Gypity Do Dah Song to Deer Ridge Owners. There you will see how Joe wanted to buy all of RML for $100,000, 90% financed by GGRC with NO PERSONAL LIABILITY by Joey – and he takes over bank accounts with more than $10,000 in them. That way, he grossly underpays for RML, gets it with no personal liability, can walk away from it when and if it doesn’t work for HIM any longer and drains the acquired bank accounts to pay for the complete down payment. See why I thought this was such a bad deal for the owners at Deer Ridge?
Also, think about this: If Joey thought it was such a good idea that GGRC sell RML, then why is he SO opposed to it being sold for a fair price to a larger management company that has the economies of scale to operate RML and the units in RML at Deer Ridge? The implications of this logic gap by Joe Thomas speaks volumes about how much he doesn’t care about what is good for Deer Ridge Owners!
- “Shortly before the April 2008 Owner’s meeting, Robert sent a 9 page; “An Open Letter to the Deer Ridge Board and All Owners”, via email and his website (www.DeerRidgeOwners.com/prediction). The title of this letter was “Deer Ridge Mountain Resort – An Economic Prediction for 2008-2010″.
True. We still have one year to go – but check out my original prediction to see how good a job I did. Click Deer Ridge Mountain Resort – An Economic Prediction For 2008-2010.
- “Fellow owners is it a coincidence that much of Robert’s negative commentary materializes as meetings are about to take place? Or is the timing well orchestrated to disrupt, distort, distract, divide and subsequently destroy Deer Ridge as we know it today?”
It is to try and finally get these critical issues on the agenda since the Board has a four year history of NOT answering questions and emails and NOT being held accountable for its actions and inactions.
- “Interestingly, during the summer of 2009, Robert became our 7th permanent resident.”
Partially true. We are here as full time residents enjoying the beauty of Deer Ridge – until such time as we can get the goals of this blog accomplished. We decided we have to be here to effectuate change since so much is hidden from owners who do not spend a lot of time here. That is how and why we are seeing so much more going on here like the tree butchering. Our presence here is also required for the upcoming litigation against GGRC and RML. Once these goals are met, we will return home to Clearwater Beach, Florida – whether that takes 3 months or 33 months.
Here’s another hint for Joey: We will not be leaving until AFTER you are gone.
- “In a 19 page diatribe posted on his website on October 19, 2009 he is seeking legal representation for his HOA Class Action Lawsuits wrote the following. “All recent annual meetings and the election of officers and board members, approval of all budgets, etc. are null and void.” “That an independent auditor be hired and paid for by GGRC and placed under my administration and direction … ” “That RML and Ridge Resort Realty be expeditiously sold under my administration and direction …Ownership note Robert’s statements, particularly “under my [Robert] administration”.”
Please see the following links for the full REAL story on all of the above sound bites taking out of context:
- “On November 6, 2009, the Board received a letter from Mr. Sexton (the GGRC attorney) responding to Robert’s allegations. The following are excerpts from that letter, ‘The first question regards the Board’s authority under the Master Deed and Bylaws. It is my understanding that he is taking the position that various owners at Deer Ridge are being assessed monthly dues and allocation of common expenses and repairs at a percentage disproportionate to the ownership interest . . The last half of the sentence in Article III, Paragraph 9(c) beginning with the word “however” clearly gives the Board authority to allocate common expenses using a method other than percentage of ownership. The qualifier is “provided such method is fair and equitable”. It is my understanding that Robert is complaining that current owners ‘fees and assessments are being assessed in a ratio different than the percentage of ownership set out in Exhibit 2-1 to the Master Deed. This document clearly assigns to each unit design a specific percentage of the vote to which they are entitled. The percentage of vote likewise corresponds to their percentage of ownership interest in the common elements. “
This is one of two fundamental issues I have with the way things are done and not done at Deer Ridge. This one alone is worth taking GGRC to court over. Joey and the Board make claim to Article III, Paragraph 9(c) as their sole justification for ignoring the real intend and requirements of The Master Deed and Bylaws. It is their intentional misinterpretation of this clause that has allowed Joey and the Board to OVERCHARGE all 30 1-1 units at Deer Ridge by 82% on monthly HOA fees and other assessments. There are several postings at the blog that describe this issue.
The key is that the section they hang their hats on ONLY relates to the DEVELOPMENT PLAN phase of the property that ended 23 YEARS ago.
Even IF the Board were to prevail by convincing the Judge that Deer Ridge is still in the Development Phase after 23 years, we have the other part of Article III, Section 9 Paragraph C: “…provided such method is fair and equitable…”
The fact that all 30 1-1 units are charged 82% more than the Master Deed Percentages would almost certainly be deemed to be UN”fair and equitable” – especially when the 2-2-L should be charged 50% more than they have been charged by the current Board!
And, here we have our fearless leader, Luther Parker, stating straight-faced at the board meeting a few days ago that, “Yes, the 82% IS fair and equitable.” Luther, thankfully, I don’t think ANY judge is EVER going to agree with your logic and math.
And, I bet a VAST majority of the 30 owners of 1-1 units, representing 36% of ALL units at Deer Ridge will STRONGLY disagree that your “82% IS fair and equitable” overcharge for their HOA fees they have to pay each and every month IS fair and equitable.
Please check out the following links on this critical issue:
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Lawsuit Against Deer Ridge GGRC Inevitable And Moving Forward – Despite Gains At Board Meeting
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Deer Ridge – Your Monthly HOA Fee And Special Assessment Are WRONG! Open Letter to Deer Ridge Board: Lawsuit Being Prepared Against GGRC and RML
Please note that this section of the attack letter refers to an “excerpt.” Since the thought processes seem to abruptly end, it makes you wonder if the parts they left out were in fact critical to understanding what their attorney REALLY said.
- “He does not have the right to demand to be a junior board member double checking all the work done by each Board member. ”
I do not want to be either a junior or senior board member. What I want is to have the same rights for all Deer Ridge Owners: Making GGRC and RML transparent, accountable and compliant with the controlling documents of our property: The Master Deed and Bylaws.
- “He is working hard to destroy Deer Ridge as we know it today.”
False, Deer Ridge is a beautiful property and the only things I want to destroy are the antithesis of our goals that include making GGRC and RML transparent, accountable and compliant with the controlling documents of our property: The Master Deed and Bylaws.
Well, those are the top points about their attack letter…I personally think this letter was sent to all owners as a smoke screen by Joey and the Board to lower the heat factor they are feeling from all the complaints from other owners over the Asinine Assessment of $353,500 – and the fact they will not provide an iota of documentation and proof that these monies need to be spent – especially $50,000 on “nuts and bolts” and $49,000 to replace perfectly good walkway railings just because Joey wants a different design.
I don’t have time to even address the rest of their trivial points and other lies – but do invite you to read everything at this Deer Ridge Owners Blog and make your own decision of whether you think I am trying to destroy Deer Ridge Mountain Resort or help it finally succeed.
PS: If you haven’t already done so and can’t make the meeting, please mail me your signed proxy to represent you at the upcoming February 6th special meeting about the ridiculous and completely unnecessary Walkway Railings replacements.
Deer Ridge Mountain Resort: Who IS Responsible For Multiple Violations of Article XII of the Master Deed?
If anyone can answer this, or will please do ….
Years ago, (maybe ’07) when the blinds were purchased, i understood from working here that if the order was over $10K, there was free shipping. No freight charge. Part of the manufacturer’s offer. However, a month or two later a bill arrived for rml (YOU!) to pay for a shipping expense (look back on your p/l) and a separate shipping WAS charged (somewhere around $2,500?) to the rml participants.
When questioning the manufacturer they in turn said there was NO SUCH BILL EVER posted to Deer Ridge for ANY shipping at ANY time. It was FREE SHIPPING. Period. ??????? I was SHOWN this on black & white from a rml participant’s statement. I didn’t have the answer?? I am not part of rml. Yet, I am still curious as to why rml participants would be divvying out for something that never existed? How easy this may be to falsify documents?
It is very hard to figure w/o seeing all documents. Not just a handful that Joe/board will chose and permit you to ‘look at’ and call that opening up the books…ha! I hope i am missing something with these blinds but how would anyone truly know?
I would think the manufacturer would be aware, as they were positive on their response and they said no bill was posted for s/h for DR. So was the rml participant as positive that questioned this with the manufacturer IN PERSON.
This, among other things needs further investigation. If indeed this did occur and it was in black and white, then i wonder what else has and still is occurring to grasp funds for the 40% rml side???? Understand, if anyone plays this type of game, they will NOT stop. This is a pattern and behavior. It didn’t start with the blinds. It wouldn’t end there either. I am sure of that.
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I was told many times that when rml participants get their check (if they are lucky enough to get one!) They grab the check, toss the literature aside. Standing joke is that no one can read it to figure odd allocations. YIKES. Who is watching the watchers? Someone just might be getting rather fat on you?
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Prior to rml getting the the new shower rods (again 07 maybe) is there truth that board members/some committee members or those politically correct got their rods and many extra’s for their rooms free? Kind of a ‘test period’. While the rest of you ended up paying. Is there truth in any of that??? I was told by a reputable source that occurred. Has many times, over and over.
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At some point i may be renting my unit as well. I am a resident, but have my unit for sale. At this point i may put it on a rental program or on a long term lease. From what i have seen here and heard for myself i am more than very skeptical of this nepotistic regime and odd behavior/occurrences.
I don’t know if this borders on criminal or negligence or what, but there is one way to find out, isn’t there! We need to find out VERY SOON, as there is too much money at stake coming up in assessments for anyone to get their grubby little paws on to do whatever they want simply because they can, politically speaking. Not one owner needs to be taken down the pike ~ AGAIN.
Fred’s Daddy,
I can feel your frustration, this is a major problem that no one really knows how many dollars the owner should receive for each night rented after all fees and expenses are taken out of the rental income. The Cobbly Nob fees are a very small percentage about $680 per year.
The current system does allow a owner to view the web site and see when the unit is occupied. However, if the owner knew how much income they were to receive for each night’s rental then it is just a simple math equation.
Your statement wasn’t clear to me from reading it. Are you saying that your unit is now renting on average about 75 nights per year? If so, this would be a major drop!
The way Deer Ridge works with many guest requesting the same unit even on the same week each year, I would greatly question a drop of half of your rentals simply because we are no longer pooling income.
What’s changed is a outstanding question.
I personally have talked to about 20 owners. Many have theories about the above all do not leave the current management in a good light. Rather many leave him with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak.
The problem is that no one can find out the truth. I think Robert is right. The only way for owners to find out if we are getting the right rental check is for us all to have access to copies of all the books and records.
Katherine, I can tell you that our unit was rented on average about 150 to 175 nights per year when we were pooling the income. We had a hard time just to come down to stay in our own unit. At times we have stayed in others because ours was booked, even once for home owners meeting.
Now that we are own our own, it’s booked about half the room nights, no problem staying in our unit.
What’s changed??? I noticed that they have removed the statement on Deer Ridge site about RML paying the Cobbly Nob fee if your unit was part of RML.
Thanks for listening and letting me vent some frustration.
The comments above are all very good ones. Included in these comments should be these facts.
If you are an owner here, you should be aware that whether you participate in RML or not, one of the most major problem at Deer Ridge is that no one is watching the watchers.
How does any one owner know how much income he/she should be getting for the nights rented for their unit. How many nights did your unit really get rented? Are you sure? Is the number RML tells you really correct or has your unit been rented more nights than you saw income for? This very thing has happened with some owners including some who took their unit off of RML.
In addition from a reliable source (One I can not reveal):
There is one person who is going to be running for the board who owns multiple units here at Deer Ridge. This person has received a large check as income this year from sources unknown which led this person to claim that this was “the best year ever for RML rentals” for their units here at Deer Ridge. How about you? Was this the best year ever for RML rentals for YOUR unit? If not, then why did their units see their best year ever? Could it be that Joe Thomas created a very special level of income and attention for this person since they own multiple units?
The misinformed person is running for the board on a bias that should not be present.
A comment from this person, “The members who have been here since the beginning and those of us who have been members of the board are the main concern, we understand the needs of RML” My personal guess from these and other comments are that the remainder of us exist here to fund all of their greatly needed income when RML falls short of breaking even. For all those times when they run short, they need to tap GGR&C bank accounts to support RML. How much RML greed do owners here at Deer Ridge wish to cover. Who monitors every receipt and every check at Deer Ridge?
One additional question, in the years that Joe has been manager, how much money has passed over his desk and through his hands, who is checking and double checking that it is all being spent wisely and in the best interest of all, not just those “who understand the needs”.
Neil,
A suggestion:
None of my business, but if it were me and if i were running for a board position at Deer Ridge (which i am not but realize there are 3 open) the first order would be a forensic audit PRIOR to taking any seat alongside, or after this total dysfunctional (at best) board and manager.
A forensic audit will ensure Joey + 5 accountable for what they have done for the past umpteen years since Joey has been wheelin & dealin at DR, plus any nepotistic partners or co-hearts that still do or would have existed prior.
Understand those that get or have received ‘special treatment and political clout’ and what goes along with that of course in favors/freebees, revenue etc… will fight this forensic audit ~ hand, tooth and nail, i am sure! Those same folks will point their finger at Robert in that self-preservation mode fight.
Keep in mind Robert hasn’t taken a thing, no deals, and is in search for nothing BUT JUSTICE AND THE TRUTH for ALL OF US. Whether you particularly like him or not doesn’t mean a thing. This isn’t about personals, it is about RIGHT AND WRONG DOING. It is about TRUTH and JUSTICE. The bottom line. Let the cards fall where they may with this forensic audit. It is what it is and has been. Period.
Watch those that want to keep this a ‘Company town on a Nob’ with dictatorship rule for their own misguided, discriminatory and odd pleasures because they particularly like power and control.
A forensic audit will ease 3 other new board members minds and will PROTECT everyone in the process. Whomever is newly elected deserves assurance that they are not walking into a forensic hornet’s nest that they did not create or have to live with or abide by as they start a clean up effort.
Forensic Audit = Clean slate. Safety for everyone.
January 2010
Dear Fellow Owners,
Three Questions… In One Paragraph From G.G.&R.C. Board.
Who would be calling a former President of the GG&RC Board a Nazi, Hitler and sign off his correspondence with the term “Sig Heil”? Who would be accusing the past and current Board, and its members, of being liars, frauds and/or being grossly negligent in their duties? Who would be accusing Board members or the Manager of making side deals in order to profit from work being done here at Deer Ridge? Who would accuse Board and committee members of using their position to obtain more rental income from Ridge Management Rental (RML)?
One simple, Really Pertinent Question From an Owner……
Why do you folks feel the need to Justify NOT Answering even ONE Question regarding Letting OWNERS get Copies of the Records they OWN?
Just a question.. No individual board member will answer….
Because being UNITED, As in, ” Let’s keep our story Straight” IS what is Important to THEM…..
How would the Hard Drives, Papers, Receipts, Reports, Inter-company Loan records, Missing HOA $ From a certain owner “s” or Anything Else…
Look in a forensic audit?
Or in regular ole’ Georgia Boy Language, What’s the downside of just doing it, and clearing the Doubt?
Why is it so important that the OPEN Board meetings, NOT Be Recorded?
Who wants to drive for hours and sit in a board meeting for 6-7-8 hrs 2 days in a row… or suppose you just are unable to go that far, because of a disability? “American’s with Disability Act….” A Federal Law..
When a simple recording would allow Any OR All owners that wanted to, to listen to the important discussions on spending really big dollars could be listened to in segments at home or anywhere at their leisure?
All This is a Bit Silly and a Bit Tiring, but needs to be Questioned…
The Question of which adjectives Robert uses, or how colorful his words are is not the real issue here, it is simply WHY does the board Protest so much…
Paint the man as a villain or Oh so Negative, All you want…
” JUST PLEASE OPEN OUR BOOKS FOR OWNERS TO SEE AND EVALUATE. ”
” Digitally Record OUR Meetings. ”
Neil C-208
See my questions to the individual board members in the e-mail at the Very Bottom, Then read the one just below…
Do you folks as owners think this response from Tom Reise, is a proper response ?
Have you as an owner ever gotten an individual response from a board member, if so, please consider sharing it, as it would let some of us know that they have personal opinions.
For a fellow owner that has asked for my vote to say in writing that he has not and Will Not be individually answering any questions, reveals an attitude that makes no sense unless there is something to be afraid of…
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:23:01 -0500
From: tomtrip@verizon.net
To: openroad12@hotmail.com
CC: davidbarone@optonline.net; mickmargie@zoomtown.com; larryo@skdocpa.com; parker.luther@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Copies of the Records ?
Neil,
The reason you have not, and will not, hear from each individual Board member is that we are a united Board that works closely together to present a consensus which we believe is in the best interest of a majority of the owners at Deer Ridge. There is no subterfuge in this policy and we have nothing to hide. Please stop with the conspiracy theories!
Tom Reise
Board Vice President
On Sep 30, 2009, NEIL BLAIR wrote:
Hey Luther, Board,
What is the reason you all don’t want to release copies of the records for GGRC and RML ?
It would seem to me that if there is no downside to it, It really can’t matter that much.
Please answer this in a simple, direct, timely and complete way, I would appreciate an answer or some type of explanation from each board member.
With my other questions regarding the Digital Recording, I have gotten one or two word responses like “E-Mail Received ” from both Tom and Margie, no response at all from David, and Larry, Margie even asks God to Bless me…. He has blessed all of us, I know I have been blessed, but honest concerned conversational answers are what is in order here.
David, How do you feel on the questions asked by Robert, Myself, Others ?
Margie, How do you feel on the same ?
Larry, How do you feel…. ?
Tom, Same ?
Luther, Same ?
It really puzzles me why this is happening.
I promise you I’m not trying to be a smarty pants or trouble maker, neither is Robert, just searching for answers to legitimate questions we and others have.
Please don’t Dis-regard us, or give us short unmeaningful answers or none at all.
Neil C-208
We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism.
We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire.
We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.”
J. Robert Oppenheimer. This includes the Board of Directors of Deer Ridge Mountain Resort.
Bears Repeating Better than Repeating…
Owners really need to take this to heart and measure the common sense of this statement against Total Opposition to this statement. And then trying to justify that opposition…..
Katherine,
You hit the nail on the head.
All this waste of funding on this goofy letter is about VOTES AND MONEY. TRUE politicians down to Fellow Americans! Oops President Luther ~ Fellow Owners i mean!
Joey/Jets DESPERATELY need to make every attempt to keep the funds rollin’ in by March ~ to save their face & pathetic rear ends! They 100% absolutely NEED your vote & your money! Give them your vote and money and you can be friends for life, Great huh! Just what we need. With friends like that we don’t need enemies!
Oh, I hope this funding letter is NOT paid for by ALL OF US OWNERS? (i live here and as goofy as they are they PAID to mail mine to me!) Guess we need to check that out in the audit along with all the other much, much more serious misgivings Robert.
Does anyone ‘speculate’ that if Joey/Jets do not get their paws on the assessment money that Joey might have a little more difficulty paying GGRC for the past due amounts he STILL owes? Oh yeah! Of course, Joey has and would continue to take dollars out of the hoa fee’s to run the rml. Stated by Larry Ohm we had to have an ‘OPERATING ASSESSMENT’ in 08/08 meeting that raise of hoa’s was what occurred by Jan 09. So, Joey/Jets received that funding BUT want MORE of OUR money to operate in some fashion or do something else maybe more private with it???? Like whatcha been doing with it Joey? Having fun with the Jets? Need another Mercedes from Luther? Curious. (That does set up a red flag!) Hopefully that last sentence is fiction, but who knows??? I don’t.
Now, Joey/Jets are running scared as all get out! I think for the first time Joey has taken enough rope to hang himself. He and the board may have finally screwed themselves with all this greed? That is, if they don’t get the vote & money. How long will they last w/o this 353K? $50K in nuts and bolts?
This mismanagement at best, did not happen overnight. This greed has been going on for YEARS and if there wasn’t a recession probably they could have swung it a bit longer untouched. Like was stated in the board meeting in 08/08 who DID put in 50 Grand to keep the rml afloat prior year/s? Some idiot board member did prior. I asked how they did that? What line on what set of books? How did they get the money back to the board member? Stone face said NOTHING! No one said a word! No one answered the question/s. This greed has been going on a long, long time folks. Why would anyone put in 50K? For no reason? Doubt it. This was prior to me owning here in 06. The reason for a forensic audit owners is this. THE REASON THEY FIGHT SO HARD NOT TO HAVE ONE.
Katherine, again you are correct. Joey has screwed with a LOT of owners in the past. I hope he doesn’t forget me and every resident here! Well, except that one that is his nominating buddy and gets free hoa’s for doing nothing. All he has to do in the past when i worked here was sleep. No one could get him up if there was a fire or need and God knows we all working here tried MULTIPLE times. I have witnesses, that would have to perjure themselves in court to say otherwise. Good Ole Nominating Buddy gets freebees ON US! Joey has a ‘handpicked’ board. Has for years. But most all of you knew that anyway.
So as best as i can tell, Joey loathes residents, dislikes non-rml’s, calls rmls SOBs because they get 60% and he gets 40%! Power for the course Joey on a back pedal!
Oh before i forget… If you are politically correct the rolling reservation system will roll your way! Has it for you? If not, sorry. Heard from a drop in the office how that rolling reservation system SOMETIMES works. Goes something like this: Phone rings. Someone answers it. Welcome to Deer Ridge Mtn Resort …so and so speaking! Yes that is a nice room, but we have a wonderful room available! Very nice, newly decorated with a flat screen TV, all new appliances. Everybody asks for this room! It is the same price as the room you were looking at, but this one is so popular!!! Would you like this room instead? It is a real upgrade! Great!!! The conversation continues…..
Just like the nightmare.
I just finished reading my letter from the board about one of our owners at Deer Ridge. What a waste of owners money sending some personal attack that was all fiction from what I can tell. Robert’s response was great and nailed Joe and the board between the eyes for the petty small minded people they are.
If I were Robert I would be thanking Joe and the Board for providing yet another document that he can use for proof when going to court against GG&RC. Hint to Joe and the Board – have you ever heard of libel? Robert’s blog goes to great length to make sure it is clear that he is voicing his personal opinion instead of fact. Your letter makes false statements that you represent as facts without any proof, without saying it is personal opinion. And if it is personal opinions you all have, why am I as an owner having to pay for the time and postage for this kind of personal attack against one of my co-owners?
It looks to me that you take a bunch of stuff out of context from Robert’s postings but when you look at his original documents you see that you have intentionally misrepresented what he had previously written. Robert’s blog cites chapter and verse from our Deer Ridge documents as valid proof, or shows photos and videos, like $1700 squandered on pumpkins that lasted 3 days. You say as if it were fact that Robert is “destroying” Deer Ridge. I personally think he is saving it and my investment.
Joe, based on all the owners I’ve talked with, you personally seem to have had issues with almost every owner at Deer Ridge at some time except for the small clique that sits on the board. Your very negative and bitter position regarding residents has been made publicly clear in the past, so stop trying to back peddle now.
I noticed in their letter of fiction, the board skips right over informing owners of all the wrong doings at Deer Ridge. This misinformation is a joke and will make all of those owners who know the true story laugh as we are reading.
You claim the attorney has always found Robert’s issues to be worthless, yet he is the one person who finally has your attorney stopping Joe Thomas and the board from all the unapproved improvements like that stupid pavilion that wasted so much of our money. That one thing alone makes me glad Robert is on the side of the owners. In my opinion, he has done a whole lot more to really benefit the owners at Deer Ridge than Joe Thomas and the board combined.
How about we inform all owners that we have one owner who lives at Deer Ridge that does not even pay HOA fees? Now this would be information that all might find interesting reading given what the legal documents say on HOA fees. How about we inform all owners how much money is spent compensating board members, directly and indirectly?
If the board has to keep consulting with the lawyer to explain our GGRC documents to each and every one of them, this is not Robert’s responsibility but rather the board’s dumbness or their attempts to get around the master deed and bylaws instead of just following them to the letter. Let’s get a board that understands the law and the controlling documents of the property.
Maybe we should spend more time worrying about disclosing the bids and quotes for the big dollar stuff like the undocumented $353500 assessment including $50000 for nuts and bolts…or why we are wasting over $49000 needlessly replacing walkway railings…..instead of our board worrying for hours about if anyone requests an extra roll of toilet paper.
It always amazes me what length Joey and the Jets will go to try to save their face ~~ and NOW their rear ends of course. Trying desperately to keep the documents from surfacing in a true forensic audit. If they have nothing to hide ~ quit hiding it! Open it up. Quit trying to manipulate, control and power play owners. We are smarter than that.
All they are doing now is trying unsuccessfully to ‘create a lie and a diversion’ to take the pressure of themselves. It is so obvious. Maybe Luther baby is playing psychologist trying to score points, to get into the minds of owners ~ If so Luther, please go back to school! Conquer and divide method, power play, control went by the wayside years ago. (Try being accountable and honest like Robert Goodman and a BUNCH OF OTHERS THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF, is with all owners.) The Truth is: Joey/jets are STRESSED to the hilt and they know they are GUILTY or most knowingly to one degree or another. Depending upon the person of course.
Kind of hilarious: First, they refuse to speak at all, banded together in secrecy. Protecting each other. That tells a REAL STORY doesn’t it! Protecting each others lies? Protecting each others guilt? Banding together because they have to to survive w/o audit! If they all share the same ‘story’ all will be okay in their minds! Keeping their ducks in a row for their benefit. Protecting themselves and NOT PROTECTING OWNERS FROM WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING > A TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL BOARD we have now. USELESS. ** But now at least one of them makes a statement on a ONE SIDED blog where no one can question them back! Ha! Well, i am glad that the duct tape is off someone’s face. Of course since no one had the guts to sign it we don’t know who lost their duct tape over their mouth, but they better put it back on, because they haven’t said a thing yet. Open up mouth ~ insert foot Board.
I don’t read DR blog, because what kind of site doesn’t offer a response? They do not want a response because they refuse to respond.
I swear if this group would spend more time ‘taking care of business’ instead of ‘taking care of themselves’ we wouldn’t owe 353,K now would we?! With the highest hoa fees in the state, this should not occur in this amount/s. Where did the money go Joey? I KNOW what Larry said in the 8/8 meeting. I KNOW where the hoa’s went, and so does everyone else that was in that meeting. Yes, i know why you do not want openness and transparency AND digital recordings.
Like I mentioned prior. The fat lady comes with the forensic audit and you boys and a girl better put on your darn seat belt. It WILL COME. Shred your copies to hell and back. Play into your computer. Rick will have to talk at some point as well. As well as others working in the office that played games for you. Count on it Joey, Luther! I suspect by audit time or now there will be a ‘few holes’ but those holes speak volumes don’t they! Can’t wait to see your paper trail Joey. I want to know where all our money has gone.